tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post1627913378961033621..comments2023-10-23T10:05:25.643-04:00Comments on Rick Sincere News and Thoughts: The Outing of Tyler WhitneyRick Sincerehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02430047101172614629noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post-74641708500641533462008-04-01T10:07:00.000-04:002008-04-01T10:07:00.000-04:00Hi,My name is Ann, I think your web site is very i...Hi,My name is Ann, I think your web site is very interesting,Please visit <A HREF="http://www.xanga.com/anngoodgirl" REL="nofollow">My web site</A> too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post-20130899238456134902007-06-22T15:33:00.000-04:002007-06-22T15:33:00.000-04:00I have to say I read the Savage article and I disa...I have to say I read the Savage article and I disagree with you. There was nothing less family friendly then the quote you selected. He did drive the point home very firmly. Dan Savage said that it is ridiculous to pity an outed 18 year old anti-gay activist when young gays are gay bashed and killed everyday in America and I will add that there is no law making it a hate-crime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post-69445955181813038152007-06-21T19:54:00.000-04:002007-06-21T19:54:00.000-04:00Amen StevenAmen StevenJoe Sylvesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16162614544945751286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post-1512254917501085252007-06-21T19:26:00.000-04:002007-06-21T19:26:00.000-04:00No, Mr. Whitney does not owe anyone an apology. W...No, Mr. Whitney does not owe anyone an apology. Who really cares? He is a principled conservative of the first order and we don't get our rights because we're part of groups.Steven Latimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430113153293672728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post-89261070708610280042007-06-21T02:06:00.000-04:002007-06-21T02:06:00.000-04:00"Has anyone thought about the possibility that a j..."Has anyone thought about the possibility that a job in Washington was Tyler Whitney's ticket to liberation? It took him away from a hostile environment (if what Between the Lines describes about YAF chapters in Michigan is true) and offered him a chance to go to a big city with an active, welcoming gay community that includes conservatives as well as liberals, libertarians as well as socialists."<BR/><BR/>If, as you assert, he needed a job in Washington to find a safe enough environment to come out, he has nobody to blame but himself and his compatriots. He was not just conservative in the fiscal sense, or neo-conservative in a foreign policy sense, or in a libertarian- get the government out of my life sense, he was anti-gay. While he was and is gay. <BR/><BR/>And perhaps his bigotry was an indiscretion of youth, a foolish over-compensation to placate his homo-hating friends. If so, some understanding and forgiveness is called for. But first he needs to apologize. Really. He needs to come out, way out and talk about why he carried the "Get back in the closet sign." He needs to explain how he feels about homosexuality in general now that he has embraced his own. Dan Savage's point, and he has a good one, is that he cannot, after making such a public spectacle of himself as an anti-homosexual bigot, he cannot now retreat behind the safe wall of a privacy he denied to others. Over the past 40 years, brave men and women have died to provide him with the general tolerance of society that he now wants to wrap himself in and disappear, a general tolerance that he has actively fought against. He needs to explain his own relationship to homosexuality now at least as publicly as he denounced it before. <BR/><BR/>And furthermore, have you been to Michigan? Are you seriously suggesting that there are not healthy gay communities in that state? Do you really think that a gay man in Michigan has to move to Washington D.C. (?) to find a tolerant environment to express his or her homosexual orientation? You sound not just a little uninformed and stupid making such a statement. Let's leave aside for a moment the fact that it was Mr. Whitney himself and his compatriots who were propagating the intolerance to be found within the state. The fact is that thousands, tens of thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of gay men and women live openly in Michigan. It was never a geographical move that Mr. Whitney needed to come out safely, but a philosophical, psychological and ideological one. <BR/><BR/>Mr. Whitney deserves our understanding, sympathy, and patience, but he owes us all an explanation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post-71518182467380173032007-06-20T19:23:00.000-04:002007-06-20T19:23:00.000-04:00Must one shed a tearFor the Collaborators?Cry them...Must one shed a tear<BR/>For the Collaborators?<BR/>Cry them a river.Torgo Ξhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00385720692927644073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post-23008160247221129892007-06-20T19:10:00.000-04:002007-06-20T19:10:00.000-04:00Tyler Whitney deserves to be subject to his own wo...Tyler Whitney deserves to be subject to his own words. I hope he gets what he dishes out. Punk is going to learn the golden rule the hard way. Nice.Churrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00417523624140429123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post-84553421689592972702007-06-20T00:07:00.000-04:002007-06-20T00:07:00.000-04:00Thanks for the hairsplitting anonymous 12:08 am. ...Thanks for the hairsplitting anonymous 12:08 am. If my chapter of a larger organization was affiliated with a cult, but my chapter itself had no criminal charges on its record (yet), then I suppose it's all fair game until things go down the drain? Wait, what happened to the conservative doctrine of preemptive strike?<BR/><BR/>Further, I don't buy this:<BR/><I>Has anyone thought about the possibility that a job in Washington was Tyler Whitney's ticket to liberation? It took him away from a hostile environment (if what Between the Lines describes about YAF chapters in Michigan is true) and offered him a chance to go to a big city with an active, welcoming gay community that includes conservatives as well as liberals, libertarians as well as socialists.</I><BR/><BR/>I can see that you're breathing a lot of your personal experience into this, yet an individual's quest for emancipation should never involve inciting hate crimes against others. (We can discuss whether killing gay children is a hate crime or not some other time.) Your attempt to defend this individual from character assassination is grounded on the virtue of selfishness, one which in this case has the manifestation of social oppression of those who do not have the ladder climbing chance to get to congress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post-79140180677698166222007-06-17T00:08:00.000-04:002007-06-17T00:08:00.000-04:00A Quick lookup online shows that Tyler Whitney bel...A Quick lookup online shows that Tyler Whitney belonged to a YAF group that was NOT listed as a hate group by the SPLC. Michigan State U's chapter was, Western Michigan U's was not. Just thought I'd clarify that for those reading.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post-83174556694213145512007-06-15T01:41:00.000-04:002007-06-15T01:41:00.000-04:00Good post, Rick. I'm glad I stumbled across your ...Good post, Rick. I'm glad I stumbled across your blog. Thanks.JohnAGJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11327171335670079381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post-64057449907447643562007-06-15T00:05:00.000-04:002007-06-15T00:05:00.000-04:00Nice post, Rick, but I can't work up much pity for...<I>Nice post, Rick, but I can't work up much pity for the lad right now. He's been running with a bad crowd, people who make it as difficult as humanly possible for gays and lesbians to, as you put it, "grow up."</I><BR/><BR/>Funny, it doesn't seem like either Rick or myself had much trouble managing it.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I'm of the school that the immature behavior of adults has to be traced back at some point to being their own fault. Sure, they can blame their parents, their teachers, Jerry Falwell, and that annoying guy on the Right Guard ads, but when it all gets down right to it, these are people making the <I>choice</I> towards behavior that would be inappropriate in an elementary school locker room, much less on radio, TV, the Internets, and public.<BR/><BR/>Either that, or they can be consistent and say that it is now within bounds to make threats of violence and death against people just because you don't like them. I'm sure Fred Phelps will be overjoyed.North Dallas Thirtyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08584106648724907471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post-11600228965016033522007-06-14T13:45:00.000-04:002007-06-14T13:45:00.000-04:00Has anyone thought about the possibility that a jo...<I>Has anyone thought about the possibility that a job in Washington was Tyler Whitney's ticket to liberation? It took him away from a hostile environment (if what Between the Lines describes about YAF chapters in Michigan is true) and offered him a chance to go to a big city with an active, welcoming gay community that includes conservatives as well as liberals, libertarians as well as socialists.</I><BR/><BR/>Exactly what I thought. Maybe he will now have the freedom to examine the misguided assumptions that would lead him to oppose equal treatment under the law for himself. The "bedroom lifestyle choice" comment is beneath contempt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post-50854637139251246122007-06-14T11:15:00.000-04:002007-06-14T11:15:00.000-04:00You got a few things wrong. Sylvester is a friend ...You got a few things wrong. Sylvester is a friend of Tyler's. Also, Tyler wasn't 'outed'. He had already come out to his friends and family almost two months ago. Another misconception is that he desperately accepted any job coming his way - again incorrect.<BR/><BR/>Tyler is a self-described paleo-conservative. That is the same ideology as Justin Raimondo. He was was one of Pat Buchanan's campaign managers back in '94, and openly gay. Tom Beddingfield, another one, worked with anti-gay Pete Knight, in California to get Prop 22 passed.<BR/><BR/>You are making a lot of incorrect assumptions in your comments. As with these other paleo-conservatives mentioned, Tyler has strong beliefs that homosexual militancy has gone too far, gay marriage is an attack on traditional values, and legislation like ENDA and hate crimes laws are unecessary special rights. I could go on, but suffice it to say you are mistakenly assigning innocent motives to a lot of this stuff.<BR/><BR/>There have always been gay men (and very few lesbians) working for the most extreme anti-gay of politicians. We usually find out about them long after the candidate has retired. You cannot shame Tyler Whitney from supporting a family-values candidate. Some people do not identify with the gay lifestyle and see the value of families, the sanctity of marriage, and opposition to amnesty as much more important than a bedroom lifestyle choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9666124.post-86271207894172381322007-06-14T04:44:00.000-04:002007-06-14T04:44:00.000-04:00Nice post, Rick, but I can't work up much pity for...Nice post, Rick, but I can't work up much pity for the lad right now. He's been running with a bad crowd, people who make it as difficult as humanly possible for gays and lesbians to, as you put it, "grow up."<BR/><BR/>Many readers of Savage's and Signorile's blog have vivid memories of their own mistreatment at the hands of this crowd. That they would lash attack "one of their own" who has contributed to it is as inevitable as it is regrettable. Fortunately for Whitney, he's eighteen years old, and cannot be sent to a treatment facility without his own consent.<BR/><BR/>Armistead Maupin started out as an assistant to a certain race-baiting US Senator from North Carolina. I suspect someone as ambitious as Tyler Whitney will also have a second act.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com